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 Post subject: Am HITTING limitations w/ Radio_Group_IDs
PostPosted: October 20th, 2006, 1:21 am 
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1) I cannot get more than 4 RADIO_GROUP_n_ID's.
When I have created 5th set of Radio Buttons, I cannot see or find RADIO_GROUP_5_ID in the Variables List.

2) when navigating back to prior page Radio Buttons do not LOOK "selected" anymore. Data shows variable is still "good".

I have attached a sample pub. Five pages-- each with Radio Button group.


In first 4 pages I show the Variables Okay. But on 5th page, there is no system Var for that group's ID etc.

-- going backward has the 'state' issue. Not showing Button 'Down'. The Variable maintains correct value, but Button looks like it reset.

Help appreciated.

Not sure why simple pub is 2 MB.

Using
---- Opus Presenter Trial Version ----------------


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 Post subject: Need help w/ survey questions - RadioButtons
PostPosted: October 25th, 2006, 10:54 pm 
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 Post subject: Radio Button Groups
PostPosted: October 26th, 2006, 6:32 pm 
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You did not include the Source version of your question. I can only guess at what you did. I'm going to say you probably tried to do everything on just one Page, instead of having each question on a different Page.

I've never had a project which required more than two sets of Radio Buttons on a Page. Since you appear to only use one set per question, that would seem to be enough. Why do you think you need to create a new Group for each question? You can re-use Button Objects and Radio Groups on different Pages.

In order to have Buttons "remember" if they are depressed, you'll have to do some coding using Variables and scripting. Radio Button Groups reset when you go to a new Page.

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 Post subject: Limits of Radio Button Groups IDs
PostPosted: October 26th, 2006, 11:00 pm 
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Fred, Thanks.

I think I've made the right Zip file now. Attached.

This example does put a question on each page.

In the future, I do want to put about 10-12 questions on a page. Why? To let the student see and answer all quickly... see that whole set of ?'s, respond, and move on. NAVIGATION will branch depending on "interests" or "weak spots" indicated. More illustrations and learning and then another set of questions. Adult learning... condensed text, cover a lot of material.

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do some coding using Variables and scripting.

(I am eval'g Presenter vs. Pro. -- right now see how far I can go w/o scripting)

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Why do you think you need to create a new Group for each question?

I thought it worked that way.
When setting Properties for Radio Button... setting Group #, seems to run up to 999 or more.

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Radio Button Groups reset when you go to a new Page.

I see the button states resetting. The "data" does not reset? The RB Grp ID and Grp Name variables seem to persist when user goes from pg1 to pg2 and back to pg1... see Text box at bottom of TestRadio5 example.

Bottomline - How should I set up Variables when I have 10 questions and Radio Button Groups on 1 page? User may revisit that page and change his choices later so I need to SHOW choices made.

Thanks.
Larry

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 Post subject: Set State
PostPosted: October 26th, 2006, 11:37 pm 
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There's no EASY way to have Buttons change back to a previously selected State when you move to a prior Page. You'd have to create a Variable for each question, which would save which answer Button was depressed, then have an ON SHOW Trigger with Select Case logic with an Action of running a line of Script to "Set State (True)". This depresses a Button Object into it's Down State. False returns it to Normal State.

I don't know if the version of OPUS you are trying has Scripting... I don't believe there's an Action to set the State of a Button (without using a Script).

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 Post subject: Continued... working with, work-around Radio Buttons
PostPosted: October 27th, 2006, 12:42 am 
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Thanks Fred.

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don't know if the version of OPUS you are trying has Scripting...

Presenter (and Opus5) would not have Scripting. Their Pro versions add Scripting, and DB connectivity.


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I don't believe there's an Action to set the State of a Button (without using a Script).

That seems to be the case.
I think that 'visually' it can be mimicked by Action>>>Attributes (fill color), but I think that could open the way for errors.


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no EASY way

Thanks for your suggestions. I'll play with that when I test the Pro version and scripting.
Seems like what should be "simple" (do 10 Rado Button Sets ), isn't. And I'll need to figure out Variables for collecting data and scrubbing data multiple times on a page. Plus ways to "show" User his prior choices.

If this Pub would be a Web Pub, I guess I'd have better capabilities with PHP or such. Do not know a tool for local PC answer collection.

Cheers,
Larry


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