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PostPosted: September 23rd, 2008, 4:29 pm 
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Hi,

I am trying to create a quiz for work.

For each of x number of x-rays I want people to click on certain areas. These are scored using hotspots.

Because the screen resolution is going to be relatively low I have set up these images so that the up and down arrows zoom in and out and the left mouse button drags the image around within a frame.

The right mouse button is then used to select the area to score in the image.

The first time I tried this I managed (through trial and error) to succeed in making the hotspots follow the image and scale correctly, so it doesn't matter where in the main frame the area of image I want clicked is; it still registers. This is example 1 attached.

Since then I have tried to do exactly the same, but have failed to make the hotspots drag and scale correctly, (example 2).

These look exactly the same to me, but are acting completely differently. Can anyone tell me where I am going wrong?

many thanks

RB


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You've got drag & drop enabled on the Pelvis picture so this is moving instead of the group.

The scale doesn't work because the image isn't selected in the action. This normally occurs if you C&P.

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D'oh...

Brilliant Mack, I hadn't noticed that, and yes I had C&P.

The reason for that is that when I tried to recreate the page used as example 1 from scratch, the group that was created didn't have any actions. The symbol beside it was different as well. The only way I could recreate the original was to C&P.

The image below shows an extract from the organiser showing the different symbols on the pages named '2 fractures' and '3 fractures'.

Right clicking on 'group 9' in 3 fractures doesn't give me the 'Edit Actions' or 'Properties' options but right clicking on group 1 in '2 fractures' does.

Again I have no idea why there is this difference, or what the 2 tiny arrows in the group box signifies.

Does anyone?

Many thanks Mack for the help.

RB


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Nine is group (hence the arrows) but one is actually a frame not a group which is why you can add actions. Frame are fine for what you need. Right click on the group (9) and select convert to frame and you can then add your actions.

Mack

P.S forgot to add I love this idea. It would make a great activity for primary science having the students identify different aspects of the skeleton by moving around the body and responding to questions.

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Once again Mack many thanks for the help, that got it sorted.

I'm glad you like the idea, and I think that would be a great idea for primary school kids too.

One thing you have said has slightly worried me though. This finished quiz will consist of 50 images with anywhere between 0 and 3 fractures on each image. I am currently creating examples or templates of each number of fractures which I then will duplicate for the number of questions required.

The plan was to cut and paste that number and then simply swap the images round and modify the hotspots to fit the new image. I will also have to modify the variables for each one.

Given what you said about C&P earlier will I run into trouble doing this? is there a better way to go?

Thanks again for all the help so far.

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R,

Opus offers a lot of power... over in the Organizer panel. You could Right-click and 'Duplicate'. Another method I like is "Right-click-Drag" and then Drop (all in the Organizer)... gives you a minor pop-up choice to "Copy Into" (which seems to preserve 'things'??).

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Wouldn't worry too much. Opus is brilliant and any issue I have with C&P happens so infrequently that I always wonder whether I did something rather than the program :-)

Kids love X-Rays. And having them identify the different bones in the body from real people would make learning a lot more interesting. One piece of advice - if you are think that this might be used in school (and business more and more) design from an Interactive Whiteboard perspective. IE think about the user controlling the program with left click only. IBW tend to use pens which are difficult for some students or those with motor difficulties or have buttons on the board to activity right click (these are a pain).

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Thanks again for the answers and advice, it all helps :).

Mack, at the moment this project is just an in house assessment tool to see how good our staff are at spotting fractures on x-rays. It may however be a better idea to make it left mouse only, I guess I could set it up so that it is single click to drag the image and double click to select the hotspot.

My daughter is in primary school and has interactive white boards in all her classrooms. I haven't had much experience of using them but it would be fun to write some stuff to utilise them.

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